00:00:42:02 00:00:45:18 - Reverend, you're on duty today. 00:00:47:03 00:00:49:11 Can you think... just think about the man 00:00:49:11 00:00:53:03 whom you are going to encounter in an hour from now, 00:00:53:03 00:00:55:19 less than an hour from now. 00:00:55:19 00:01:01:22 - I really am going there without any expectations. 00:01:01:22 00:01:07:19 I'm going there to experience what God has prepared for me, 00:01:07:19 00:01:10:07 for him, for all of those involved, 00:01:10:07 00:01:14:11 and I don't preconceive anything. 00:01:14:11 00:01:15:23 Not today. 00:01:15:23 00:01:19:10 I will let that happen as it occurs, 00:01:19:10 00:01:21:22 as time gets there. 00:01:21:22 00:01:25:04 We have a loving, caring, 00:01:25:04 00:01:28:04 forgiving, merciful God, 00:01:28:04 00:01:33:00 and in time of joy and in time of need, 00:01:33:00 00:01:35:19 in time of trial or tribulation, 00:01:35:19 00:01:37:22 God is always there for us. 00:01:37:22 00:01:40:22 I want to make that presence to them. 00:01:40:22 00:01:44:16 - And technically when he is led to the gurney, 00:01:44:16 00:01:46:09 what is your duty then? 00:01:46:09 00:01:48:17 - After everything is completed, 00:01:48:17 00:01:50:14 as far as the preparation, 00:01:50:14 00:01:55:02 then I walk over, and I stand as he has allowed me to stand. 00:01:55:02 00:01:59:03 I always ask permission to be able to stand at his feet 00:01:59:03 00:02:00:19 and hold his ankle, 00:02:00:19 00:02:03:07 and I move toward that position, 00:02:03:07 00:02:05:23 and I place my hand on his ankle, 00:02:05:23 00:02:10:03 and then that's what... what I do 00:02:10:03 00:02:12:03 until death occurs. 00:02:13:23 00:02:16:05 - And if there is no family interested 00:02:16:05 00:02:17:20 in taking care of the body, 00:02:17:20 00:02:20:20 the condemned men would end up right behind you? 00:02:20:20 00:02:24:03 - Yes, they end up here at the state cemetery, 00:02:24:03 00:02:26:03 and they're buried by the state. 00:02:27:08 00:02:31:07 No names on the crosses, only numbers. 00:02:36:19 00:02:42:03 - Why does God allow capital punishment? 00:02:44:23 00:02:46:23 - I don't know the answer. 00:02:49:11 00:02:51:18 I believe that there's always a purpose 00:02:51:18 00:02:55:07 why God allows things to happen. 00:02:57:07 00:03:00:23 God has created so many things in this world. 00:03:02:06 00:03:04:12 I play golf sometimes. 00:03:04:12 00:03:07:06 I love to be on the golf course, 00:03:07:06 00:03:12:11 because one thing I do, I put my phone on a silent mode. 00:03:12:11 00:03:16:21 I go out there sometimes by myself with no distractions, 00:03:16:21 00:03:19:01 and I can see the beautiful grass. 00:03:19:01 00:03:22:05 I can see the squirrels, from time to time, running. 00:03:22:05 00:03:24:05 Sometimes the deer are running. 00:03:24:05 00:03:26:24 Sometimes I look across the golf course, 00:03:26:24 00:03:31:03 and I see a cow or a horse, and... and I... and I stop, 00:03:31:03 00:03:35:16 and I acknowledge life. 00:03:35:16 00:03:37:12 Life, 00:03:37:12 00:03:39:22 the things that God has created. 00:03:39:22 00:03:43:12 - Please describe an encounter with a squirrel. 00:03:43:12 00:03:44:23 - An encounter with a squirrel, 00:03:44:23 00:03:47:13 I was driving the golf cart, and I was on the golf... 00:03:47:13 00:03:50:13 on the cart path, and I saw two squirrels. 00:03:50:13 00:03:53:06 They were chasing each other, and as I was getting closer, 00:03:53:06 00:03:55:01 they were running across the cart path, 00:03:55:01 00:03:56:14 and I put on my brakes, 00:03:56:14 00:03:58:16 and they stopped in the middle of the cart path 00:03:58:16 00:04:02:01 and looked at me, and I said, "How about this?" 00:04:02:01 00:04:03:10 "If I wouldn't have stopped, 00:04:03:10 00:04:05:24 "I could have run over one of these squirrels. 00:04:05:24 00:04:08:06 Their life would have ended." 00:04:08:06 00:04:10:06 And that reminds me... 00:04:15:08 00:04:19:22 of the many people that I have been with 00:04:19:22 00:04:23:21 in their last breath of life, 00:04:23:21 00:04:30:04 and due to bad choices and mistakes in their life, they... 00:04:30:04 00:04:34:11 their life is taken away in that moment. 00:04:35:23 00:04:41:23 So life is precious, whether it's a squirrel 00:04:41:23 00:04:44:19 or a human being. 00:04:44:19 00:04:50:14 So I will sometimes meditate on that experience. 00:04:50:14 00:04:54:19 Make a little noise, and the squirrels will take off 00:04:54:19 00:04:56:22 and continue their life, 00:04:56:22 00:04:58:20 but I cannot do that. 00:05:02:08 00:05:05:12 For someone on the gurney, 00:05:05:12 00:05:10:18 I cannot stop the process for them. 00:05:15:05 00:05:17:15 But I wish I could. 00:07:40:14 00:07:42:01 - Good, yeah. 00:07:42:01 00:07:43:10 You are not wired yet, 00:07:43:10 00:07:45:16 so we have to wire you first. 00:08:13:14 00:08:15:12 Michael Perry, now from all of us, 00:08:15:12 00:08:16:21 the whole team here, 00:08:16:21 00:08:19:16 we would like to offer our condolences. 00:08:20:16 00:08:23:19 Your father passed away. 00:08:23:19 00:08:25:11 - Right, on the 10th. 00:08:25:11 00:08:27:00 My dad died 13 days ago. 00:08:27:00 00:08:28:09 - 13 days ago. 00:08:28:09 00:08:29:18 - Yeah, on June 10th. 00:08:29:18 00:08:32:06 - But you will die or you are scheduled for execution... 00:08:32:06 00:08:33:16 - Right. 00:08:33:16 00:08:35:16 - In only eight days. - Yes, sir. 00:08:35:16 00:08:37:11 - How are you doing? 00:08:37:11 00:08:39:16 - You know... you know, I'm a Christian, so, you know, 00:08:39:16 00:08:41:11 I believe that, you know, paradise awaits 00:08:41:11 00:08:43:20 one way or the other, so I tell people all the time, 00:08:43:21 00:08:46:16 I'm either going home or home, so... 00:08:46:16 00:08:49:04 I'm either going home to the world or home to God, 00:08:49:04 00:08:52:01 so I... you know, as the days get closer, 00:08:52:01 00:08:54:16 I can feel the pressure on my shoulders. 00:08:54:16 00:08:57:04 They call it clinical depression where I just start having 00:08:57:04 00:09:00:18 less motivation to do things, less energy. 00:09:00:18 00:09:02:16 You get frustrated at the... at the system. 00:09:02:16 00:09:08:01 How can they not see, you know, my situation is wrong? 00:09:08:01 00:09:09:18 You know, I... I used to write all the time 00:09:09:18 00:09:11:06 and have a lot of energy, 00:09:11:06 00:09:12:17 and I just don't have it any more. 00:09:12:17 00:09:14:22 I just feel like I've been beaten down. 00:09:14:22 00:09:18:13 - I have the feeling that destiny, in a way, 00:09:18:13 00:09:22:05 has dealt you a very bad deck of cards. 00:09:22:05 00:09:24:08 It does not exonerate you, 00:09:24:09 00:09:26:20 and... and when I talk to you, 00:09:26:20 00:09:30:14 it does not necessarily mean that I have to like you, 00:09:30:14 00:09:33:02 but I respect you, and you are a human being, 00:09:33:02 00:09:35:12 and I think human beings should not be executed. 00:09:35:12 00:09:36:23 - Mm-hmm. - As simply as that. 00:09:36:23 00:09:38:06 - Right. 00:12:03:01 00:12:06:21 - Lieutenant, this looks idyllic and safe. 00:12:06:21 00:12:08:08 - Well, and you would think that. 00:12:08:08 00:12:10:04 This is a gated community, obviously. 00:12:10:04 00:12:13:21 The houses that are out here are very large houses, 00:12:13:21 00:12:15:06 very expensive houses, 00:12:15:06 00:12:16:17 and you would think that this is... 00:12:16:17 00:12:18:02 this is a very quiet area, 00:12:18:02 00:12:23:12 and you would, I guess, associate that with security. 00:12:23:12 00:12:25:16 But this house right here is actually the house 00:12:25:16 00:12:28:10 where Sandra Stotler was murdered. 00:12:28:10 00:12:32:01 This is where Michael Perry and Jason Burkett 00:12:32:01 00:12:33:10 parked out on the street 00:12:33:10 00:12:36:09 and went in and... and murdered her. 00:12:36:09 00:12:37:19 At the time that we found her, 00:12:37:19 00:12:39:06 she was actually baking cookies, 00:12:39:06 00:12:40:17 and there was evidence of that. 00:12:40:17 00:12:42:05 There was... there was cookies out. 00:12:42:05 00:12:44:15 There was cookie dough out. 00:12:44:15 00:12:48:08 So she was in the process of that when she was killed. 00:12:48:08 00:12:52:17 - But apparently the first plan was not murder. 00:12:52:18 00:12:55:17 - Well, and that was something that we were told, 00:12:55:17 00:12:58:09 that initially the... the boys were all... 00:12:58:09 00:13:01:01 when I say "boys," Michael Perry, Jason Burkett, 00:13:01:01 00:13:02:17 Adam Stotler, and Jeremy Richardson... 00:13:02:17 00:13:04:03 they were acquaintances 00:13:04:03 00:13:06:03 through, you know, some mutual friends. 00:13:06:03 00:13:08:02 They weren't really friends themselves, 00:13:08:02 00:13:09:16 but they... they were acquaintances, 00:13:09:16 00:13:14:07 and what we were told was... is that they came here 00:13:14:07 00:13:17:15 with the intention of trying to get Adam Stotler 00:13:17:15 00:13:19:02 to allow them to stay the night 00:13:19:02 00:13:21:03 by telling them they didn't have a place to stay, 00:13:21:03 00:13:23:21 and they were going to try to get the keys to the car 00:13:23:21 00:13:25:07 and steal it. 00:13:25:07 00:13:26:17 That's what they were after, 00:13:26:17 00:13:30:02 was the red Camaro that was in the garage. 00:13:30:02 00:13:32:10 Upon going to the door and talking to the mother, 00:13:32:10 00:13:34:17 and she said that they were out, the boys were out, 00:13:34:18 00:13:36:03 and so they left, 00:13:36:03 00:13:37:16 and that's when their plan changed, 00:13:37:16 00:13:40:21 that they were just going to kill her and take the car. 00:13:40:21 00:13:43:05 So they went back up to the door, 00:13:43:05 00:13:45:01 and the garage was open, 00:13:45:01 00:13:47:17 and the door going into the house was open. 00:13:47:17 00:13:50:03 Michael Perry, by his own admission, 00:13:50:03 00:13:52:11 entered that garage door and went into the laundry room 00:13:52:11 00:13:55:03 at the time that Jason Burkett knocked on the front door. 00:13:55:03 00:13:56:13 And as their truck was out here, 00:13:56:13 00:13:58:08 he told them that the truck wouldn't start 00:13:58:08 00:14:01:15 and they needed to call someone to come and assist them. 00:14:01:15 00:14:03:17 So she let him in the house to use the telephone, 00:14:03:17 00:14:05:02 and while he was doing that, 00:14:05:02 00:14:07:01 Michael Perry stepped out of the laundry room 00:14:07:01 00:14:09:11 and knocked on the back garage door, 00:14:09:11 00:14:11:13 which made her come and answer it, 00:14:11:13 00:14:13:23 and he stepped out from the laundry room from behind her, 00:14:13:23 00:14:15:21 and that's when he shot her. 00:14:18:07 00:14:21:05 The actual garage door itself was open 00:14:21:05 00:14:23:20 when our deputies arrived on the scene. 00:15:27:04 00:15:28:13 The master bedroom, 00:15:28:13 00:15:30:05 which is in the back part of the house 00:15:30:05 00:15:32:01 behind the garage over here, 00:15:32:01 00:15:34:13 they went in, and they took the top bedding, 00:15:34:13 00:15:37:05 the blanket and the... the top sheet, 00:15:37:05 00:15:39:13 and that's what they wrapped her in. 00:15:39:13 00:15:41:10 They brought her out, put her in the truck, 00:15:41:10 00:15:43:18 and they drove her out to Crater Lake 00:15:43:18 00:15:45:14 to dispose of her body. 00:15:47:24 00:15:49:09 - And how does it happen? 00:15:49:09 00:15:50:23 Was it drugs? 00:15:50:23 00:15:52:18 - You know, I don't know that there was ever 00:15:52:18 00:15:54:22 any direct evidence as far as, you know, 00:15:54:22 00:15:56:22 drugs relating particularly to this case. 00:15:56:22 00:16:00:14 I mean, honestly, it was just... you know, they had a car. 00:16:00:14 00:16:02:20 You know, this lady owned a car that they wanted, 00:16:02:20 00:16:05:07 so, you know, it was... 00:16:05:07 00:16:08:08 unfortunately, you know, people died for a theft. 00:16:29:05 00:16:30:14 Other than it being dark, 00:16:30:14 00:16:33:23 this is pretty much the way it was 00:16:33:23 00:16:35:18 that night when we came out here. 00:16:47:08 00:16:51:03 You'll see all kinds of debris and trash here, as I said. 00:16:51:03 00:16:56:06 This is... was pretty commonly used for a dumping ground. 00:16:56:06 00:16:59:05 They've pulled lots of vehicles out of... out of Crater Lake. 00:16:59:05 00:17:01:17 We've had, actually, a few other bodies 00:17:01:17 00:17:05:04 that we've... that we've gotten out of Crater Lake. 00:17:05:04 00:17:07:08 This is Crater Lake here. 00:17:07:08 00:17:08:20 This little area right here, 00:17:08:20 00:17:13:12 this is where the tire treads in the dirt was actually here. 00:17:15:05 00:17:17:08 At the time that they first came down here, 00:17:17:08 00:17:19:07 they actually backed up to that 00:17:19:07 00:17:20:22 and tried to slam on their brakes, 00:17:20:22 00:17:22:18 hoping to eject the body in the water, 00:17:22:18 00:17:24:12 and that didn't work, so, again, 00:17:24:12 00:17:26:09 that was just something that... that we heard. 00:17:26:09 00:17:28:20 I don't know that that's actually what happened, 00:17:28:20 00:17:30:20 but you could tell from... 00:17:30:20 00:17:33:16 there wasn't any distinct tire wear in the ground. 00:17:33:16 00:17:35:12 You could just tell that a tire... 00:17:35:12 00:17:38:08 tires had been spinning there, so... 00:17:38:08 00:17:39:20 So it seemed to fit the story, 00:17:39:20 00:17:41:18 but they ended up getting the body 00:17:41:18 00:17:44:03 and... and carrying it out here, 00:17:44:04 00:17:46:11 and it was just dropped in the water. 00:18:54:23 00:18:57:07 We didn't know when we processed the scene here 00:18:57:07 00:19:00:09 and when we processed Sandra Stotler's residence, 00:19:00:09 00:19:01:18 we still did not know 00:19:01:18 00:19:03:18 that we had any other victims other than her. 00:19:08:19 00:19:12:02 This is the gated community of Highland Ranch. 00:19:12:02 00:19:14:07 Inside those gates is the house 00:19:14:07 00:19:18:02 where Sandra Stotler was murdered. 00:19:18:02 00:19:20:20 When Michael Perry and Jason Burkett came back here 00:19:20:20 00:19:22:23 to get the Camaro that they were after, 00:19:22:23 00:19:24:19 these gates were... were shut and locked, 00:19:24:19 00:19:26:12 so they didn't have access to it, 00:19:26:12 00:19:28:22 so they waited around and parked 00:19:28:22 00:19:33:09 until Adam Stotler and Jeremy Richardson returned home, 00:19:33:09 00:19:36:22 and that's when they got them to come out in the woods with them 00:19:36:22 00:19:39:14 and... and murdered them so that they could get 00:19:39:14 00:19:42:01 basically the clicker to come back and get access in... 00:19:42:01 00:19:43:10 you know, into this gate 00:19:43:10 00:19:45:00 so that they could go back to the house 00:19:45:00 00:19:46:10 and take the Camaro. 00:19:46:10 00:19:49:02 - So only because they didn't have the code here 00:19:49:02 00:19:51:15 and it was closed at night, 00:19:51:15 00:19:54:16 two more young people had to die. 00:19:54:16 00:19:56:08 - Yes, sir. That's correct. 00:20:01:04 00:20:04:24 - Lieutenant, Jason Burkett and Michael Perry 00:20:04:24 00:20:07:16 bragged about what they had done. 00:20:07:16 00:20:10:23 How clear evidence was that? 00:20:10:23 00:20:12:21 - Well, because it came from multiple people. 00:20:12:21 00:20:14:06 It wasn't just one. 00:20:14:06 00:20:15:18 We got reports from several people 00:20:15:18 00:20:17:03 from the different hangouts 00:20:17:03 00:20:19:02 that they had said that they had killed people. 00:20:19:02 00:20:20:20 That's how they got the vehicles. 00:21:11:04 00:21:12:17 It was pretty convincing. 00:21:12:17 00:21:14:10 I mean, we believed it. 00:21:14:10 00:21:17:05 Although, again, we... we didn't have evidence 00:21:17:05 00:21:19:09 that we had other bodies at the time. 00:21:20:15 00:21:22:17 - Only after Perry confessed, 00:21:22:17 00:21:26:11 he pointed you to the location of the two young boys. 00:21:27:19 00:21:29:03 - Yes, sir. 00:22:11:18 00:22:13:05 - As soon as I found out my mother... 00:22:13:05 00:22:14:14 her body had been found, 00:22:14:14 00:22:16:22 that whole week is just a blur. 00:22:16:22 00:22:18:07 I was watching the news. 00:22:18:07 00:22:19:20 It was Monday morning, 00:22:19:20 00:22:23:00 and I saw helicopters flying over Ronny's truck stop here. 00:22:23:00 00:22:27:14 Well, we live a mile, and I had a glimmer of hope. 00:22:27:14 00:22:31:02 I said, "Adam got away. He's found his way home." 00:22:31:02 00:22:33:22 Because that's the exit you'd get off to come to my house. 00:22:33:22 00:22:35:10 So I told my husband. 00:22:35:10 00:22:37:12 I said, "Get in the car. We're going down there." 00:22:37:12 00:22:39:01 'Cause they showed the crime scene, 00:22:39:01 00:22:40:19 the helicopters. 00:22:40:19 00:22:42:23 My brother's car was there on the news. 00:22:42:23 00:22:44:15 So we went up to Ronny's truck stop, 00:22:44:15 00:22:47:09 and I saw all that stuff on the car, 00:22:47:09 00:22:49:03 and I'm like, "oh, that's not Adam's car. 00:22:49:03 00:22:50:22 He doesn't have all that stuff on there." 00:22:50:22 00:22:52:15 - "Stuff" meaning? 00:22:52:15 00:22:55:04 - The stickers and the... - "Gauge," "A.B."? 00:22:55:04 00:22:56:14 - Yeah, I saw all that stuff. 00:22:56:14 00:22:58:06 I was like, "oh, that's not his car." 00:23:04:22 00:23:07:08 You know, and then I looked at the license plate. 00:23:07:08 00:23:09:14 The car was riddled with bullets, 00:23:09:14 00:23:14:12 and they had just chased them down 00:23:14:12 00:23:17:03 and caught them at the apartment complex, 00:23:17:03 00:23:20:15 and I was kind of trailing behind them, 00:23:20:15 00:23:22:13 and they left to go to the hospital, 00:23:22:13 00:23:24:24 and they told me... I was like, "Please tell me," 00:23:24:24 00:23:27:21 because Adam had been missing now since Wednesday, 00:23:27:21 00:23:29:08 and it was now Monday, and I said, 00:23:29:08 00:23:31:08 "Please tell me, was Adam with them?" 00:23:31:08 00:23:32:20 And they said, "Adam got shot", 00:23:32:20 00:23:35:06 and they took him to the hospital." 00:23:35:06 00:23:39:05 Now, Michael Perry is still saying he's Adam. 00:23:39:05 00:23:41:13 He got out of jail. He bonded out of jail. 00:23:53:04 00:23:55:20 - Perry just had his ID. 00:23:55:20 00:23:57:16 You believed... - I believed he was alive. 00:23:57:16 00:23:59:08 - Your brother was safe, only wounded, 00:23:59:08 00:24:02:05 because you were told Adam was safe... 00:24:02:05 00:24:03:14 - Was shot. 00:24:03:14 00:24:05:04 - And shot but in hospital. 00:24:05:04 00:24:07:13 - And I... you know, I was like... 00:24:07:13 00:24:10:08 Thank God. 00:24:10:08 00:24:11:20 So I started calling the hospitals 00:24:11:20 00:24:14:01 trying to figure out which hospital he was at, 00:24:14:01 00:24:16:15 and I described him, and she's like... 00:24:16:15 00:24:18:10 I finally got a nurse who would talk to me, 00:24:18:10 00:24:21:10 and she's like, "That's not the kid that's here, ma'am." 00:24:21:10 00:24:26:19 - But you had hopes, I mean, substantial hopes 00:24:26:19 00:24:29:16 that your brother Adam was wounded but safe. 00:24:29:16 00:24:31:01 - Yes. - Alive. 00:24:31:01 00:24:32:10 - Yeah. 00:24:32:10 00:24:34:10 - And all of a sudden... 00:24:34:10 00:24:37:02 - My world was ripped out from underneath me. 00:24:39:13 00:24:41:13 Everyone was gone. 00:24:45:18 00:24:48:02 I called Lieutenant Davidson, 00:24:48:02 00:24:51:18 and he told me to come down to the police station, 00:24:51:18 00:24:53:07 and I told him, 00:24:53:07 00:24:55:10 "I'm watching you on TV right now. 00:24:55:10 00:24:57:22 Just tell me if that's Adam." 00:24:57:22 00:24:59:14 And he said, "I really would like you 00:24:59:14 00:25:01:22 to come down to the station." 00:25:01:22 00:25:03:21 And I said, "Just tell me." 00:25:03:21 00:25:06:01 And he said, "Yeah, it's Adam." 00:25:06:01 00:25:07:17 He said, "It's Adam," 00:25:07:17 00:25:10:11 and my knees gave out, 00:25:10:11 00:25:13:11 and I never knew that your knees really went weak, you know, 00:25:13:11 00:25:15:13 but that saying is true, "Weak in the knees." 00:25:15:13 00:25:17:13 My knees went weak, and I fell to the floor. 00:25:27:16 00:25:29:18 - This is Lindsey Lane. 00:25:29:18 00:25:32:06 This is where we were directed on this road 00:25:32:06 00:25:34:21 by Michael Perry in his confession 00:25:34:21 00:25:36:24 that we would find two additional bodies 00:25:36:24 00:25:39:04 of Adam Stotler and Jeremy Richardson. 00:25:43:17 00:25:45:13 We came down this road, and then we split up. 00:25:45:13 00:25:46:22 We went to the end of the road, 00:25:46:22 00:25:49:00 and we actually walked back this way 00:25:49:00 00:25:52:14 and discovered Adam's body. 00:26:00:08 00:26:01:22 They lured them into this area 00:26:01:22 00:26:04:05 by telling them that there was a mutual friend of theirs 00:26:04:05 00:26:06:14 that had gotten hurt while they were hunting. 00:26:10:11 00:26:13:13 This house obviously was not here at the time. 00:26:13:13 00:26:14:24 You can see, as this is coming out, 00:26:14:24 00:26:16:09 how it's coming around, 00:26:16:09 00:26:18:21 so it's gonna be somewhere about... 00:26:18:21 00:26:20:17 somewhere in that concrete is gonna be 00:26:20:17 00:26:22:17 about where his body was discovered. 00:26:32:11 00:26:34:13 Once we actually processed the scene 00:26:34:13 00:26:36:13 and we moved the body, once we moved the body, 00:26:36:13 00:26:39:03 there was a cigarette butt under it, which we collected, 00:26:39:03 00:26:42:13 and there was also another cigarette butt close by, 00:26:42:13 00:26:44:03 but the one that was under his body, 00:26:44:03 00:26:46:11 once we submitted it to the state lab for DNA, 00:26:46:11 00:26:48:24 it had Michael Perry's DNA on it. 00:26:48:24 00:26:51:02 - Which means the body had fallen... 00:26:51:02 00:26:52:11 - Had fallen on the cigarette 00:26:52:11 00:26:54:12 after it was already discarded on the ground. 00:26:56:15 00:26:58:23 The other body was Jeremy Richardson. 00:26:58:23 00:27:01:07 From where we actually found his body, 00:27:01:07 00:27:04:01 it was so dense with trees, we couldn't even get into it. 00:27:04:01 00:27:05:24 I don't know how he got into it. 00:27:05:24 00:27:08:13 We couldn't hardly even get into it without taking machetes 00:27:08:13 00:27:10:13 and... and cutting back some of the brush. 00:27:13:18 00:27:15:18 Jeremy, he ran for some distance 00:27:15:18 00:27:17:04 while he was being shot at. 00:27:17:04 00:27:18:13 I don't know if it was 'cause 00:27:18:13 00:27:20:21 he heard the gunshots here and got startled, 00:27:20:21 00:27:22:13 or if Jason pointed the shotgun at him, 00:27:22:13 00:27:24:13 and he realized it before he was actually shot, 00:27:24:13 00:27:26:05 and he took off running. 00:27:35:15 00:27:39:15 - Charles, you lost your brother, Jeremy. 00:27:39:15 00:27:42:18 Do you remember the moment when you heard about it? 00:27:45:09 00:27:46:21 - I was in Georgia, 00:27:46:21 00:27:49:15 and I got a phone call from my aunt 00:27:49:15 00:27:52:01 saying for me to call home. 00:27:52:01 00:27:53:18 Something bad had happened. 00:27:55:13 00:27:56:22 I tried to call. 00:27:56:22 00:27:59:06 I didn't have no money at the time, 00:27:59:06 00:28:01:10 and my phone wouldn't let me call long distance, 00:28:01:10 00:28:05:15 so I tried to call collect, and my grandpa hung up on me. 00:28:05:15 00:28:07:06 He didn't want to... 00:28:07:06 00:28:09:14 he didn't even want to pay $2 to talk to me 00:28:09:14 00:28:12:07 to tell me my brother was dead. 00:28:14:05 00:28:17:06 I had to actually get my aunt to call 00:28:17:06 00:28:18:22 and find out what was going on, 00:28:18:22 00:28:23:23 and then she called me back, and my first thought was... 00:28:23:23 00:28:26:10 just because on the phone she says, 00:28:26:10 00:28:27:22 "Do you know Jason Burkett?" 00:28:27:22 00:28:29:09 I said, "Yeah." 00:28:29:09 00:28:31:03 She said, "Well, something's happened, 00:28:31:03 00:28:34:08 and your brother's dead," and, uh... 00:28:48:08 00:28:50:14 My... my first thought was, you know, 00:28:50:14 00:28:54:03 Jason was just driving, being stupid 00:28:54:03 00:28:57:23 the way he normally was and had wrecked, 00:28:57:23 00:28:59:08 and then she told me no, 00:28:59:08 00:29:02:10 that Jason shot my brother over a car. 00:29:03:15 00:29:05:16 I... I just fell out. 00:29:05:16 00:29:07:16 I fell out. 00:29:09:23 00:29:13:18 My uncle came and picked me up, and, uh... 00:29:14:19 00:29:17:07 We just went driving around. 00:29:17:07 00:29:19:05 - And your father? 00:29:19:05 00:29:20:14 Where was he? 00:29:20:14 00:29:22:06 - He was in prison. 00:29:22:06 00:29:24:02 - How serious? 00:29:25:22 00:29:27:07 - Well, it was the first time 00:29:27:07 00:29:30:23 he was in jail for murder, in prison for murder. 00:29:30:23 00:29:33:07 - Life sentence? 00:29:33:08 00:29:35:20 - Well, no. 00:29:35:20 00:29:39:12 He... he was doing his 15 year sentence first, 00:29:39:12 00:29:41:04 and then he was out for about a year, 00:29:41:04 00:29:44:13 and then he went and got a life sentence, 00:29:44:13 00:29:46:19 and he's just getting out after that. 00:29:48:06 00:29:50:22 - And you flew in for the funeral? 00:29:50:22 00:29:52:13 - Yeah, I flew in for the funeral. 00:29:55:00 00:30:00:00 The cops said I had jumped bond, and the cops were there to... 00:30:00:00 00:30:05:17 to take me to jail over my brother's... 00:30:07:10 00:30:10:02 Can I tell 'em what it was for or... 00:30:10:02 00:30:12:02 I mean, would it be okay to tell 'em, 00:30:12:02 00:30:14:12 you know, it was a drug possession? 00:30:14:12 00:30:17:01 - So you took the jail time for your brother, 00:30:17:01 00:30:18:10 and you were arrested? 00:30:18:10 00:30:20:02 - Yeah, at the funeral. 00:30:20:02 00:30:21:12 The cops came in there. 00:30:21:12 00:30:25:16 There was six cops came in and identified me 00:30:25:16 00:30:30:04 and told me they were gonna take me to jail right then. 00:30:30:04 00:30:32:01 I asked them, you know, could I at least stay 00:30:32:01 00:30:34:01 for my brother's funeral. 00:30:34:01 00:30:36:13 - And the teardrops, the tattoos, 00:30:36:13 00:30:38:12 what do they signify? 00:30:38:12 00:30:42:18 - I lost my... my brother and my sister. 00:30:42:18 00:30:44:03 - Brother murdered. 00:30:44:03 00:30:46:14 Your sister, what happened to her? 00:30:46:14 00:30:48:04 - She was coming to my house, 00:30:48:04 00:30:51:20 and she crossed the freeway, 00:30:51:20 00:30:54:04 and she got ran over by a car. 00:30:56:20 00:31:00:12 - Tell me about your brother Jeremy. 00:31:00:12 00:31:02:08 Can you show us? 00:31:10:21 00:31:13:19 - Jeremy was... he was... 00:31:13:19 00:31:15:17 he was just the golden child. 00:31:19:09 00:31:22:17 He was a good kid, trusted his friends. 00:31:28:02 00:31:33:18 He would get in trouble just... just to... 00:31:33:18 00:31:35:17 to have that attention, 00:31:35:17 00:31:37:12 but he wouldn't do nothing serious. 00:31:37:12 00:31:39:16 He would... he would never do anything too serious. 00:31:39:17 00:31:43:21 He got in trouble for making people laugh, you know, 00:31:43:21 00:31:46:07 talking during class, you know, stuff like that. 00:31:46:07 00:31:47:19 He was a very sociable person. 00:31:47:19 00:31:50:09 Everybody loved him, and, uh... 00:31:52:17 00:31:54:09 Everybody said that I was the one 00:31:54:09 00:31:59:06 that was supposed to be dead before I was 21 and not Jeremy. 00:31:59:06 00:32:00:15 - And you loved him. 00:32:00:15 00:32:02:15 - Of course. 00:32:05:17 00:32:08:11 He was my... he was my best friend. 00:32:10:14 00:32:12:12 He was my best friend growing up. 00:32:12:12 00:32:14:04 He's all I had. 00:32:17:09 00:32:18:23 - You took care of him. 00:32:21:23 00:32:23:15 - I tried. 00:32:26:08 00:32:30:10 Turns out the only thing I did was hurt him. 00:32:30:10 00:32:33:05 I introduced him to the people that killed him. 00:32:42:17 00:32:44:02 He'd tell me all the time, 00:32:44:02 00:32:46:18 it was me and him against the world. 00:32:49:23 00:32:52:02 I tell my wife the same thing now. 00:32:55:02 00:32:57:02 It's just me and him against the world. 00:33:06:03 00:33:09:09 - I believe from the time that we got the initial call 00:33:09:09 00:33:11:10 until they were caught, it was within a week. 00:33:11:10 00:33:14:05 It was, I believe, five to seven days. 00:33:14:05 00:33:17:16 - And you arrived at the scene where they were apprehended? 00:33:17:16 00:33:19:03 - Yes, sir. 00:33:19:03 00:33:21:13 - Can you describe? 00:33:21:13 00:33:22:22 Was it mayhem? 00:33:22:22 00:33:24:10 - Yes, sir, it was. 00:33:24:10 00:33:26:02 There was a truck stop... 00:33:26:02 00:33:28:01 actually, the truck stop's not there any more, 00:33:28:01 00:33:30:05 but it was at the... kind of the side parking lot 00:33:30:05 00:33:31:14 of a truck stop, 00:33:31:14 00:33:33:10 and there was an abandoned warehouse, 00:33:33:10 00:33:35:18 and then on the other side of that, an apartment complex, 00:33:35:18 00:33:39:06 so the entire scene spanned from that parking lot 00:33:39:06 00:33:41:18 all the way well into the apartment complex. 00:33:44:21 00:33:46:13 There was shotgun shells. 00:33:46:13 00:33:49:01 There was cartridge casings where they had exchanged fire 00:33:49:01 00:33:50:20 with the officers that were there. 00:33:50:20 00:33:52:05 There was wrecked vehicles, 00:33:52:05 00:33:54:17 and, I mean, there was just people everywhere. 00:33:56:17 00:33:59:16 - And the police officer was run over? 00:33:59:16 00:34:01:04 - Yes, sir, his leg. 00:34:04:01 00:34:05:21 There was a vehicle wrecked out, 00:34:05:21 00:34:08:05 and all the glass in the vehicle 00:34:08:05 00:34:10:21 had shattered from the gunshots. 00:34:10:21 00:34:14:11 Burkett and Perry both sustained gunshot wounds. 00:34:14:11 00:34:17:19 I believe Jason Burkett was shot three times, 00:34:17:19 00:34:19:07 if I'm not mistaken, 00:34:19:07 00:34:21:09 and I'm not really certain about Michael Perry, 00:34:21:09 00:34:24:00 but they... they both had wounds from gunshots 00:34:24:00 00:34:27:03 and obviously glass cuts and scrapes. 00:34:55:10 00:34:57:22 - So there was a wild, hot pursuit, 00:34:57:22 00:35:00:13 and you were in this wild chase. 00:35:00:13 00:35:02:12 Did you actually open fire at them or... 00:35:02:12 00:35:03:21 - What had happened... 00:35:03:21 00:35:05:20 - I don't want to be too indiscreet, but I think... 00:35:05:20 00:35:07:05 - Well, I can tell you. 00:35:07:06 00:35:08:15 I can tell you. I pled guilty. 00:35:08:15 00:35:10:23 I've got 10 years done on a 15 year sentence for it, so... 00:35:10:23 00:35:12:21 - I see, yeah. - We were asleep. 00:35:12:21 00:35:14:19 We had been drinking the night before. 00:35:14:19 00:35:16:04 We were sleeping in the car 00:35:16:04 00:35:17:20 because we couldn't get to the motel, 00:35:17:20 00:35:19:20 which was on the other side of a fence. 00:35:21:22 00:35:24:08 I don't remember this other guy that was in the car with us. 00:35:24:08 00:35:25:17 I don't know how he got with us. 00:35:25:17 00:35:27:02 I don't know his name. 00:35:27:02 00:35:28:19 I don't know anything about him. 00:35:28:19 00:35:30:09 Michael Perry and me were drinking, 00:35:30:09 00:35:33:21 and somehow this guy got with us that night. 00:35:33:21 00:35:38:08 I remember getting woke up and getting shot in the car. 00:35:38:08 00:35:39:17 I looked around. 00:35:39:17 00:35:41:04 Michael Perry wasn't next to me. 00:35:41:04 00:35:42:14 It was some other kid next to me, 00:35:42:14 00:35:44:01 but Perry was in the backseat, 00:35:44:01 00:35:46:21 and Perry tried to get out of the car in the back, 00:35:46:21 00:35:48:06 and then he shut the door. 00:35:48:06 00:35:51:09 I started the truck, and I went to flee, 00:35:51:09 00:35:53:10 and everybody says, "You shouldn't have ran. 00:35:53:10 00:35:54:19 You shouldn't have ran." 00:35:54:19 00:35:56:11 I had just been shot, 00:35:56:11 00:35:58:23 and the only way for me to not to get shot again 00:35:58:23 00:36:00:15 was to get out of there, 00:36:00:15 00:36:02:19 and I wasn't thinking clearly. 00:36:02:19 00:36:04:05 I didn't know about a murder. 00:36:04:05 00:36:06:01 I didn't know about what they were looking... 00:36:06:01 00:36:07:10 I didn't know the extent. 00:36:07:10 00:36:09:01 I didn't even know they knew who I was. 00:36:09:01 00:36:11:22 And when I drove off, 00:36:11:22 00:36:13:11 the officer was right in front of me. 00:36:13:11 00:36:14:21 I drove to the right, 00:36:14:21 00:36:18:10 and he shot me through the door right here in my arm. 00:36:18:10 00:36:21:02 - How badly were you wounded? 00:36:21:02 00:36:22:11 - I was shot right here. 00:36:22:11 00:36:23:23 - Can you show it higher for me? 00:36:23:23 00:36:26:12 - I was shot right here in my wrist. 00:36:26:12 00:36:29:08 I was shot right here in my hand, my finger. 00:36:29:08 00:36:31:15 I was shot right here. 00:36:31:16 00:36:33:12 I was shot right here, 00:36:33:12 00:36:36:20 and I was shot right here. 00:36:36:20 00:36:41:04 Right here, I had a piece of the car door in my side. 00:36:41:04 00:36:44:12 - Still lodged in your side? 00:36:44:12 00:36:46:24 So how do you get through a metal detector? 00:36:46:24 00:36:49:13 - Well, it came out afterwards. It came out. 00:36:49:13 00:36:51:08 It did finally come out in the jail. 00:36:51:08 00:36:55:03 Right here in my collarbone, I had a piece of glass 00:36:55:03 00:36:57:18 from the car door, went inside. 00:37:01:18 00:37:04:13 I crashed into a building because I couldn't steer. 00:37:04:13 00:37:06:05 My blood's all in the truck. 00:37:06:05 00:37:08:13 They said, "Well, your DNA's on the gun." 00:37:08:13 00:37:10:04 My DNA's on everything in there. 00:37:10:04 00:37:13:01 I was shot. My DNA was on Michael Perry. 00:37:13:01 00:37:15:13 My DNA was on every seat in there from being shot. 00:37:15:13 00:37:17:16 Blood went everywhere. 00:37:22:11 00:37:25:17 Whenever I crashed, I jumped out and ran. 00:37:25:17 00:37:27:02 I ran. 00:37:27:02 00:37:29:03 I ran in the building. 00:37:29:03 00:37:31:01 There was cops shooting at the building 00:37:31:01 00:37:32:13 where we were crashed into. 00:37:32:13 00:37:35:12 They were shooting from every direction. 00:37:35:12 00:37:39:16 The window in the back of the building's like this. 00:37:39:16 00:37:41:07 You can't get through it. 00:37:41:07 00:37:44:09 I shot one time with the gun through the window. 00:37:44:09 00:37:45:23 I probably shouldn't have done that, 00:37:45:23 00:37:47:18 but I was trapped, and I was panicking. 00:37:47:18 00:37:49:07 I didn't know what to do. 00:37:49:07 00:37:51:19 And when we got through there, we ran to some apartments, 00:37:51:19 00:37:56:01 and, you know, I... I carried Perry half the way, 00:37:56:01 00:37:59:05 but, I mean, we got to the apartment. 00:37:59:05 00:38:02:15 - You... you dealt with it like real tough men. 00:38:02:15 00:38:04:13 I remember reading somewhere 00:38:04:13 00:38:07:13 that Michael Perry shouted, "This is it. 00:38:07:13 00:38:10:01 Put the balls at the walls," or something. 00:38:10:01 00:38:12:17 "Let's bolt. Let's fight back." 00:38:12:17 00:38:15:01 Can you remember something like that? 00:38:15:01 00:38:17:17 - I remember reading that they said, "Balls to the walls," 00:38:17:17 00:38:19:08 or, you know, something. 00:38:19:08 00:38:20:17 I don't recall him saying it. 00:38:20:17 00:38:22:02 He could have said it. 00:38:22:02 00:38:24:07 - Too much commotion. Too many bullets flying. 00:38:24:07 00:38:26:12 - I didn't really understand what was happening. 00:38:26:12 00:38:28:20 All I knew is, where we were at, we could not stay there. 00:38:28:20 00:38:30:06 - Yeah. 00:38:30:06 00:38:33:09 - And... and he was screaming, "Balls to the walls," they say. 00:38:33:09 00:38:36:13 - Well, um, how can I say? 00:38:36:14 00:38:39:19 I... I don't want to go into the details of... 00:38:39:19 00:38:41:05 of what happened, 00:38:41:05 00:38:45:24 but fact is that three people were killed. 00:38:45:24 00:38:47:10 - Mm-hmm. 00:38:47:10 00:38:52:22 - And you deny that you were even close to the scene or... 00:38:52:22 00:38:54:07 how... how do you... 00:38:54:07 00:38:55:21 - Well, there's no longer a question. 00:38:55:21 00:38:57:19 There's no longer a question of my innocence. 00:38:57:19 00:38:59:06 That's... question is out the door. 00:38:59:06 00:39:01:20 The question is, what is anyone gonna do about it now? 00:39:01:20 00:39:05:14 I mean, a perfect example is, you're here with these guys. 00:39:05:14 00:39:07:10 They show up at your hotel room in a car. 00:39:07:10 00:39:09:13 You're gonna assume that that car is... 00:39:09:13 00:39:11:01 you know, these are your friends, 00:39:11:01 00:39:13:00 so when Jason shows up to pick me up in a car, 00:39:13:00 00:39:14:10 I'm gonna assume it's okay. 00:39:14:10 00:39:15:22 You get in it, and you get arrested, 00:39:15:22 00:39:18:12 and you come to find out he just murdered someone from that car, 00:39:18:13 00:39:20:05 you're gonna end up on Texas death row. 00:39:20:05 00:39:21:14 You're gonna end up right here 00:39:21:14 00:39:23:04 because you trusted one of these guys 00:39:23:04 00:39:24:22 to show up and pick you up in a... in a real car 00:39:24:22 00:39:26:21 that wasn't just stolen. 00:39:26:21 00:39:29:16 - But trusting in Jason was a bad choice. 00:39:29:16 00:39:31:22 - Oh, absolutely. - I mean, let's face it. 00:39:31:22 00:39:34:18 He was some sort of a bad apple, and so... so were you. 00:39:34:18 00:39:37:09 - I was homeless and starving, so it was... 00:39:37:09 00:39:40:19 - And using drugs and stealing. 00:39:40:19 00:39:43:07 - He offered me drugs. He offered me a place to stay. 00:39:43:07 00:39:45:14 He offered me food, so I chose... 00:39:45:14 00:39:47:05 I chose that, which I shouldn't have. 00:39:47:05 00:39:49:06 I regret it every... every minute now. 00:39:49:06 00:39:51:17 Cherish every minute, huh? 00:39:51:17 00:39:53:02 Cherish every minute. 00:39:53:02 00:39:55:21 Make the most of it because, you know, 00:39:55:21 00:39:57:16 they can... they can... they can do you like me. 00:39:57:16 00:39:59:12 Be in the wrong situation at the wrong time, 00:39:59:13 00:40:01:06 and there's no telling where you end up. 00:40:01:06 00:40:03:15 You might want to get out of Texas as soon as possible, huh? 00:40:03:15 00:40:05:10 They might arrest you any... any second, huh? 00:40:45:23 00:40:47:09 - I went over to my buddy's house. 00:40:47:09 00:40:50:04 There was a guy there, and he wanted to fight me, 00:40:50:04 00:40:55:15 and he run up on me as I got out of the truck, 00:40:55:15 00:40:57:21 and... and I just kind of blew him off. 00:40:57:21 00:40:59:06 You know what I mean? 00:40:59:06 00:41:01:09 "Just go on, man, go on about your business." 00:41:01:09 00:41:04:00 And everybody said he was saying he was gonna stab me 00:41:04:00 00:41:05:20 when I got out of the truck. 00:41:05:20 00:41:07:08 You know, it kind of pissed me off, 00:41:07:08 00:41:10:00 so I... I went back, found the dude, 00:41:10:00 00:41:13:12 and run up on him, and I was taking off my shirt, 00:41:13:12 00:41:16:08 and I threw my... threw my shirt up like that, you know, 00:41:16:08 00:41:18:04 and threw it up over my elbow. 00:41:18:04 00:41:20:16 I was gonna take it off, and when I did that, 00:41:20:16 00:41:23:08 he hit me right here with a screwdriver, you know, 00:41:23:09 00:41:26:01 a screwdriver about that long, and it was a Phillips, 00:41:26:01 00:41:28:05 you know, them little skinny, long screwdrivers. 00:41:28:05 00:41:32:05 It sunk in to the handle, and after that, uh... 00:41:32:05 00:41:34:19 - All the way to the handle? - All the way to the handle. 00:41:34:19 00:41:36:07 - How did it happen? 00:41:36:07 00:41:40:11 - Man, it's probably, probably about right in there. 00:41:40:11 00:41:43:11 It went straight... straight through under my arm, 00:41:43:11 00:41:44:20 into my chest, 00:41:44:20 00:41:47:06 and I never went to the hospital or anything. 00:41:47:06 00:41:49:16 - And what did you feel? You felt the... 00:41:49:16 00:41:52:04 - Yeah, just a... I felt the... the... 00:41:52:04 00:41:54:11 you know, the pressure of it when it hit. 00:41:54:11 00:41:55:20 That's all I felt, 00:41:55:20 00:41:57:13 and I kind of jumped back out the way, 00:41:57:13 00:42:01:12 and... and I looked, and my buddy threw me a knife, 00:42:01:12 00:42:03:09 and I looked down at the knife on the ground, 00:42:03:09 00:42:04:18 and I was like, you know, 00:42:04:19 00:42:06:19 I'm thinking to myself in my head, you know, 00:42:06:19 00:42:09:03 "I'm going home to my kids today." 00:42:09:03 00:42:10:23 You know, so I didn't even pick it up, 00:42:10:23 00:42:14:09 and then my other buddy come out running by the yard, 00:42:14:09 00:42:18:05 and I had to be at work in 30 minutes. 00:42:18:05 00:42:20:14 Matter of fact, I roof... 00:42:20:14 00:42:24:14 I was roofing a house with Jason's brother. 00:42:24:14 00:42:27:02 What is it, Chris Burkett? 00:42:27:02 00:42:28:14 And I was roofing a house with him. 00:42:28:14 00:42:30:06 - Chris was not in jail at that time. 00:42:30:06 00:42:32:01 - Nah. 00:42:32:01 00:42:33:15 - And you went to hospital? 00:42:33:15 00:42:35:06 - Nah. 00:42:35:06 00:42:36:17 They was asking me 00:42:36:17 00:42:38:14 if I needed to go to the hospital or anything, 00:42:38:14 00:42:39:23 but it just... some, like, puss 00:42:39:23 00:42:41:12 and a little bit of blood come out, 00:42:41:12 00:42:44:08 and, you know, I thought I was good. 00:42:44:08 00:42:46:11 Evidently, I guess I am. 00:42:46:12 00:42:48:07 So I was lucky there. 00:42:54:09 00:42:58:05 - But you have never been in... in real trouble with the law? 00:42:58:05 00:42:59:14 - I had a felony. 00:42:59:14 00:43:01:23 That's the only bad... bad one I had. 00:43:01:23 00:43:03:08 - But you're a working man. 00:43:03:08 00:43:04:17 - Yes, sir. - You have a job? 00:43:04:17 00:43:06:14 - Yeah, I ain't been in trouble in four years. 00:43:06:14 00:43:08:15 - Can I see your hands? - Yeah. 00:43:08:15 00:43:12:09 - When we shook hands, I noticed your calluses. 00:43:12:09 00:43:14:09 You are working... - Yeah. 00:43:14:09 00:43:16:09 - In a paint shop? - Yep. 00:43:16:09 00:43:18:01 - Cars. - Yes, sir. 00:43:18:01 00:43:20:01 - Solid work. - Yes, sir. 00:43:20:01 00:43:21:15 - And the tattoo in here? 00:43:21:15 00:43:24:09 Can I see this? Can you show it? 00:43:24:09 00:43:27:09 - Bailey. 00:43:27:09 00:43:29:13 - You had been with her when you met Burkett? 00:43:29:13 00:43:30:24 - Nah. - Not yet, uh-huh. 00:43:30:24 00:43:32:09 - No. 00:43:32:09 00:43:34:12 I've been with her for three years, 00:43:34:12 00:43:37:07 and I got a 17 month old baby with her. 00:43:37:07 00:43:39:16 - Oh, yeah. So you are staying with her? 00:43:39:16 00:43:41:11 - Yeah. 00:43:41:11 00:43:42:24 - Now the tattoo is forever. 00:43:42:24 00:43:44:20 - Yeah, it's forever. 00:43:44:20 00:43:47:04 They just don't come off. 00:43:47:04 00:43:51:18 - And what happens if the relationship unravels? 00:43:51:18 00:43:53:17 What happens to "Bailey"? 00:43:53:17 00:43:56:01 - Guess I'm gonna have to get "Bailey sucks" right there. 00:44:06:08 00:44:09:00 - Can you talk about Jason Burkett? 00:44:09:01 00:44:11:09 How did you meet him? How did you know him? 00:44:11:09 00:44:13:20 What do you know about him? 00:44:13:20 00:44:15:17 - First time I ever met him, 00:44:15:17 00:44:17:15 seemed like a pretty cool guy, you know? 00:44:17:15 00:44:18:24 So we hung out, 00:44:18:24 00:44:21:07 and I introduced him to a few girls and everything, 00:44:21:07 00:44:25:01 and then we used to go huntin' together. 00:44:27:05 00:44:30:03 One time, he tried to kill me. 00:44:30:03 00:44:32:07 I introduced him to these girls, 00:44:32:07 00:44:34:11 and her dad and him had something going on. 00:44:34:11 00:44:35:20 I don't know. 00:44:35:20 00:44:38:02 Well, anyway, he thought I wanted to get with that girl 00:44:38:02 00:44:40:14 and come over to another girl's house 00:44:40:14 00:44:42:14 and rushed me with a gun. 00:44:42:14 00:44:44:15 Well, I had this girl tell me to come outside, 00:44:44:15 00:44:46:09 and I was eating supper, 00:44:46:09 00:44:48:11 and he rushed me with a gun. 00:44:48:11 00:44:50:01 So we fought for about 45 minutes 00:44:50:01 00:44:54:05 with a gun to my head in this girl's house. 00:44:54:05 00:44:57:22 It was a .22 caliber single-shot pistol. 00:44:57:22 00:45:00:22 Yeah, he held... held it to my head, 00:45:00:22 00:45:03:22 banged me in the head with it. 00:45:03:22 00:45:06:10 We were fighting all through the house with the gun 00:45:06:10 00:45:09:03 till I locked myself in this bedroom, 00:45:09:03 00:45:10:23 and he was gonna kick in the door, 00:45:10:23 00:45:13:06 so I just opened the door and let him in 00:45:13:06 00:45:16:02 because I didn't want him to tear this girl's dad's house up, 00:45:16:02 00:45:18:16 and after that, we started fighting again, 00:45:18:16 00:45:21:09 and he pinned me on the bed, and he pulled the trigger. 00:45:21:09 00:45:22:23 - Where did the bullet go? 00:45:22:23 00:45:25:11 - Nah, it misfired, 00:45:25:11 00:45:27:02 because the bullet come out the gun, 00:45:27:02 00:45:30:07 and you could tell on a 22 bullet, there's like... 00:45:30:07 00:45:32:15 it's just that round, flat piece on the bottom. 00:45:32:15 00:45:34:12 Well, if the firing pin ain't long enough, 00:45:34:12 00:45:38:04 it don't hit it, and... and it don't... it won't go off, 00:45:38:04 00:45:42:12 but it hit it, but I don't know why it didn't go off. 00:45:42:12 00:45:44:09 - You were lucky. - Yeah. 00:45:44:09 00:45:45:23 - Very lucky. 00:45:45:23 00:45:47:11 - Yeah, I kind of blacked out there. 00:45:50:14 00:45:54:14 But, yeah, real lucky. 00:45:54:14 00:45:57:02 And then him killing those people, man, 00:45:57:02 00:45:59:02 I feel sorry for their families. 00:46:06:03 00:46:09:08 Me and my friend Big Justin was up at the bar one time, 00:46:09:08 00:46:13:09 and he come up there with these new cars, him and Perry, 00:46:13:09 00:46:14:18 and we're like, "Man", 00:46:14:19 00:46:16:13 where'd y'all get these new cars at?" 00:46:16:13 00:46:18:07 He's like, "oh, we was holding hands"... 00:46:18:07 00:46:19:16 him and Perry was holding hands 00:46:19:16 00:46:22:18 and scratched off a lottery ticket together 00:46:22:18 00:46:24:21 and won them two cars. 00:46:24:21 00:46:26:16 Well, me and my buddy knew it wasn't right, 00:46:26:16 00:46:28:20 because they're both felons, you know what I mean? 00:46:28:20 00:46:30:05 Ain't nobody gonna sell them... 00:46:30:05 00:46:32:05 ain't neither one got a driver's license, 00:46:32:05 00:46:35:17 so, you know, and... and the cars were, like, fully loaded, 00:46:35:17 00:46:39:09 CD's, skateboards, and stuff like that in there, 00:46:39:09 00:46:43:07 and so we knew something... something was up with it, 00:46:43:07 00:46:46:22 and he started giving people joy rides up at the bar. 00:46:52:13 00:46:55:03 - Jason and Michael came up to the bar 00:46:55:03 00:46:57:20 to show off two new vehicles that they had purchased, 00:46:57:21 00:47:02:16 and at first, we... nobody really understood. 00:47:02:16 00:47:05:10 They explained that they had purchased a lottery ticket, 00:47:05:10 00:47:07:19 and that's how they got the money to buy the cars, 00:47:07:19 00:47:11:18 and at that time, it started getting a little weird. 00:47:11:18 00:47:15:02 - What didn't sound right about this? 00:47:15:02 00:47:17:19 - The amount of the lottery ticket was $4,000. 00:47:17:19 00:47:19:18 They said they cashed it in a gas station. 00:47:19:18 00:47:22:19 That doesn't usually happen. 00:47:22:19 00:47:24:15 The vehicles themselves didn't look like 00:47:24:15 00:47:26:00 they just came off a car lot. 00:47:26:00 00:47:27:09 - You drove these cars? 00:47:27:09 00:47:29:05 - I rode in them. I didn't drive them. 00:47:29:05 00:47:30:17 Yeah, they... Jason and Michael 00:47:30:17 00:47:32:17 were kind of giving everybody test drives, 00:47:32:17 00:47:36:09 and I rode in both vehicles. 00:47:39:07 00:47:41:09 The... the red Camaro, when I rode in it, 00:47:41:09 00:47:43:20 they were showing off guns. 00:47:43:20 00:47:45:06 There was a 12 gauge shotgun, 00:47:45:06 00:47:46:20 and I don't remember the other one, 00:47:46:20 00:47:50:12 but I did see 'em in the trunk of the red Camaro that night. 00:47:50:12 00:47:54:01 From what I heard, rumors, you know, they were into... 00:47:54:01 00:47:57:08 initially planning on stealing a car of my roommate 00:47:57:08 00:47:58:17 at the house I was staying at, 00:47:58:17 00:48:00:04 and that scared the hell out of me, 00:48:00:04 00:48:01:13 'cause that could've been me. 00:48:01:13 00:48:03:06 You know, if he would've decided to come 00:48:03:06 00:48:05:18 and get the car in my driveway, where would I be? 00:48:06:13 00:48:09:00 I've... I've managed to block it. 00:48:09:00 00:48:11:16 I've managed to try to not deal with it 00:48:11:16 00:48:13:20 and not think about it. 00:48:18:14 00:48:23:11 I guess being in the situations that I've been in, 00:48:23:11 00:48:25:11 just from being employed at that bar, 00:48:25:11 00:48:30:07 I have seen so many awful things that I don't deal with them. 00:48:30:07 00:48:32:08 I just kind of put them back. 00:48:34:01 00:48:36:14 - Did Jason brag about crimes? 00:48:36:14 00:48:39:09 - He never bragged to me and my buddy Big Justin. 00:48:39:09 00:48:41:01 We didn't even know what had happened, 00:48:41:01 00:48:45:03 and they was... they come got us from Justin's house, 00:48:45:03 00:48:47:11 the police did, and they took us up there, 00:48:47:11 00:48:49:16 and they was like, "Y'all read the paper?" 00:48:49:16 00:48:52:09 And I told 'em, well, I couldn't read, 00:48:52:09 00:48:54:07 and then they didn't believe me, 00:48:54:07 00:48:56:18 and they looked at my record and found out I can't read, 00:48:56:18 00:48:59:14 and then, so they read the paper to me, 00:48:59:14 00:49:02:05 and they told me what they had done. 00:49:02:06 00:49:03:15 - Mm-hmm. 00:49:03:15 00:49:04:24 Do you read now? 00:49:04:24 00:49:06:13 - Oh, yeah. 00:49:06:13 00:49:09:14 - So late, you started to learn how to read. 00:49:09:14 00:49:11:02 - Yeah, I learned how to read. 00:49:11:02 00:49:12:11 - Wonderful, yes? 00:49:12:11 00:49:14:22 I find this a great achievement. 00:49:14:22 00:49:17:21 - Yeah, it is awesome. 00:49:17:21 00:49:19:20 - You are much more connected now. 00:49:19:20 00:49:22:16 - Yeah. 00:49:22:16 00:49:25:05 - How does it feel not to be able to read? 00:49:25:05 00:49:27:06 You have to be much smarter than the others 00:49:27:06 00:49:28:16 to understand the world anyway. 00:49:28:16 00:49:30:08 - Yeah. 00:49:30:08 00:49:33:04 It's... it's kind of tough out there when you can't read, 00:49:33:04 00:49:35:08 but, I mean, 'cause they ain't always have 00:49:35:08 00:49:37:04 somebody gonna read it for you. 00:49:39:08 00:49:42:15 But, I mean, I learned how to read in jail 00:49:42:15 00:49:46:09 so I could write letters and read the letters, 00:49:46:09 00:49:50:17 and other than that, I don't plan on going back, 00:49:50:17 00:49:54:01 but I'm glad I learned how to read there. 00:49:54:01 00:49:56:13 - And you are doing good now? - Oh, yeah. 00:49:56:13 00:49:58:20 Staying busy at the paint and body shop. 00:49:58:20 00:50:00:20 - Reading? - Oh, yeah. 00:50:00:20 00:50:02:08 - Writing? 00:50:02:08 00:50:04:10 - Not much writing. 00:50:04:10 00:50:05:21 A lot of sanding. 00:50:09:16 00:50:13:18 - I'm interested in your relationship with Michael Perry. 00:50:13:18 00:50:15:09 How did you two meet? 00:50:15:09 00:50:17:00 How does this thing happen? 00:50:17:00 00:50:22:16 - In 2000, I had a girlfriend in 2000. 00:50:22:16 00:50:25:13 She had a friend named Miranda. 00:50:25:14 00:50:27:06 I ended up going to jail, 00:50:27:06 00:50:29:19 and Miranda, I seen her on the side of the road 00:50:29:19 00:50:32:07 arguing with Michael Perry, and I said... 00:50:32:07 00:50:34:06 I pulled over, and I asked her what was going on, 00:50:34:06 00:50:35:22 and she said, "He's living in my trunk, 00:50:35:22 00:50:37:07 "and I can't get him... 00:50:37:07 00:50:38:23 "you know, he can't live there no more. 00:50:38:23 00:50:40:08 "My dad's seen him. 00:50:40:08 00:50:42:04 "My dad got in a fight with him this morning. 00:50:42:04 00:50:43:13 He can't live there." 00:50:43:13 00:50:45:02 So he was living in the trunk of a car, 00:50:45:02 00:50:47:02 and I said, "Well, I don't know what to tell you." 00:50:47:02 00:50:48:19 And she asked me, "Can he live with you?" 00:50:48:19 00:50:50:04 And at that moment, I told her, 00:50:50:04 00:50:52:00 "No, he can't live with me." 00:50:52:00 00:50:54:13 And then, I looked at him, and she's, like, sad and crying, 00:50:54:13 00:50:57:22 and she said, "Please, let him live with you just for a month." 00:50:57:22 00:51:00:01 This was when we were living in the camper trailer, 00:51:00:01 00:51:02:10 and I told him, "You can live with us. 00:51:02:10 00:51:06:00 Get your stuff, put it in my truck, and come home." 00:51:06:01 00:51:10:24 And from that day on, I fed him, gave him money, 00:51:10:24 00:51:12:09 took care of him. 00:51:12:09 00:51:15:15 He was like a... like a little brother, 00:51:15:15 00:51:17:14 kid brother that was pushed on you, 00:51:17:14 00:51:20:17 and... and when they... he's older than me by a few months, 00:51:20:17 00:51:22:20 but I had to take care of him because he had nothing. 00:51:22:20 00:51:24:14 He had nobody. 00:51:24:14 00:51:27:02 Little did I know he had a very supportive family. 00:51:27:02 00:51:29:18 His mom and dad were both supportive. 00:51:29:18 00:51:31:07 He just didn't want to follow rules. 00:51:31:07 00:51:33:13 He was just like me and didn't want to follow rules, 00:51:33:13 00:51:35:11 and that's why he ended up living with me, 00:51:35:11 00:51:38:05 'cause they said, "Work and you can live with us." 00:51:38:05 00:51:40:01 He didn't want to work. 00:51:40:01 00:51:44:10 - And you were sent on a outward Bound trip into Florida. 00:51:44:10 00:51:46:01 What happened? What was that, yeah? 00:51:46:01 00:51:47:21 - Well, you know, I'm a city boy at heart, 00:51:47:21 00:51:49:08 you know what I'm saying? 00:51:49:08 00:51:51:02 I'm really not into the nature and bugs 00:51:51:02 00:51:53:10 and... and the weather and, you know. 00:51:53:10 00:51:57:16 So, you know, when... they sent me on a two week canoe trip. 00:51:57:16 00:51:59:08 - Which sounds wonderful for me, but... 00:51:59:08 00:52:01:03 - Yeah, you know, you know, I like to canoe, 00:52:01:03 00:52:02:12 but what it... what was... 00:52:02:12 00:52:04:01 It wasn't the canoeing that was bad. 00:52:04:01 00:52:05:14 It was that it was in the Everglades. 00:52:05:14 00:52:07:12 I mean, we're seeing alligators everywhere. 00:52:07:12 00:52:08:21 Now, my question is... 00:52:08:21 00:52:10:20 and I didn't even realize that until I got here... 00:52:10:20 00:52:12:09 what happened if I would've fell out 00:52:12:09 00:52:13:18 and got eaten by an alligator? 00:52:13:18 00:52:15:06 Who would've been responsible? 00:52:15:06 00:52:17:08 You know, did my parents sign some type of waiver? 00:52:17:08 00:52:19:06 Because there was alligators everywhere. 00:52:19:06 00:52:21:06 - Well, a young man of 13, you better watch out 00:52:21:06 00:52:23:01 and... and handle the alligators well, yes. 00:52:23:01 00:52:24:10 - Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 00:52:24:10 00:52:26:00 - But what happened then? You didn't... 00:52:26:00 00:52:28:07 - Well, I think it was on the third or fourth day. 00:52:28:07 00:52:32:04 We would canoe until, like, nighttime and pull in. 00:52:32:04 00:52:34:21 I guess they had certain designations marked, 00:52:34:21 00:52:36:20 and sometimes we'd pull in, like, at midnight. 00:52:36:20 00:52:39:05 There's bugs... you can reach out and grab a handful of bugs, 00:52:39:05 00:52:40:21 and then they'd want us to cook dinner, 00:52:40:21 00:52:42:14 and, you know, I'm like, "Man, I can't." 00:52:42:14 00:52:44:06 And one of the things of the program was 00:52:44:06 00:52:45:22 to teach you immediate... 00:52:45:22 00:52:48:04 you know, every action there's a... there's a reaction, 00:52:48:04 00:52:50:03 so immediate consequences to your decisions, 00:52:50:03 00:52:51:17 and one of the things I learned is that 00:52:51:17 00:52:53:10 if I don't pay attention to the lessons... 00:52:53:10 00:52:54:22 we had these bags for our property, 00:52:54:22 00:52:57:12 and you had to seal them right, or they wouldn't be waterproof. 00:52:57:12 00:52:59:11 Well, I didn't listen, and it fell in the water, 00:52:59:11 00:53:01:15 and all my stuff got wet, so I didn't have my own tent. 00:53:01:15 00:53:03:07 I didn't have no toilet paper any more, 00:53:03:07 00:53:04:16 and I didn't like that. 00:53:04:16 00:53:06:16 So basically, I... I was my typical stubborn self, 00:53:06:16 00:53:08:01 and I told them, "You know what?" 00:53:08:01 00:53:09:19 I ain't doing this no more. Take me home." 00:53:09:19 00:53:11:18 - But you were not attacked by alligators, but... 00:53:11:18 00:53:13:14 - No, we were attacked by monkeys, though. 00:53:13:14 00:53:14:23 - By monkeys. What happened? 00:53:14:23 00:53:17:01 - Absolutely, monkeys were jumping from one side 00:53:17:01 00:53:18:11 to the trees on the side we were at 00:53:18:11 00:53:19:24 and come... trying to come over there, 00:53:19:24 00:53:22:19 and they couldn't figure out where the monkeys came from, 00:53:23:11 00:53:25:16 but there was a whole bunch of them, 00:53:25:16 00:53:27:04 a whole bunch. 00:53:27:04 00:53:28:14 I wanted to get out and get one, 00:53:28:14 00:53:30:19 but they said they have diseases, right? 00:54:04:21 00:54:06:21 - So best... case scenario, 00:54:06:21 00:54:10:06 if you are granted parole in 2041, 00:54:10:06 00:54:13:04 how old would you be then? 00:54:13:04 00:54:14:16 Does this ever occur to you? 00:54:14:16 00:54:16:05 Do you want to think about it? 00:54:16:05 00:54:19:10 - I'll be 59, 60. 00:54:19:10 00:54:20:19 I was 19. 00:54:20:19 00:54:22:15 I have to do 40 years from 19, 00:54:22:15 00:54:26:21 which will be 59 years old. 00:54:26:21 00:54:28:05 Long time. 00:54:31:04 00:54:34:08 - When it came to the phase after your trial was over, 00:54:34:08 00:54:38:18 for punishment phase, your father showed up in court. 00:54:40:01 00:54:41:19 Can you describe the scene? 00:54:43:10 00:54:44:21 - I knew he was coming, 00:54:44:21 00:54:47:11 and I knew what he was gonna testify to, 00:54:47:11 00:54:50:01 but to hear him testify, it's like... 00:54:50:01 00:54:51:22 I was born with neuroblastomas. 00:54:51:22 00:54:54:23 I... I had 18 surgeries by the time I was five, 00:54:54:23 00:54:57:10 and I... I don't know a lot about it 00:54:57:10 00:55:01:08 because it's something that I try to shy away from. 00:55:01:08 00:55:03:22 I knew he was gonna testify to my raising, 00:55:03:22 00:55:06:05 and I was a... in pain all the time, 00:55:06:05 00:55:08:10 and he'd watch me cry to sleep, and... 00:55:10:03 00:55:12:11 It was difficult, because I seen him cry. 00:55:12:11 00:55:14:01 I mean, if you ever see my dad, 00:55:14:01 00:55:18:10 he's 6'6 ", 6'7", 300 pounds, big old guy, tattooed. 00:55:18:10 00:55:20:06 - And they brought him in from... from prison. 00:55:20:06 00:55:21:15 - He came in from prison. 00:55:21:15 00:55:23:19 - Is he still incarcerated? 00:55:23:19 00:55:26:07 - He's right across the street on Ellis Unit. 00:55:28:07 00:55:30:12 - Mr. Burkett, how are you doing? 00:55:30:12 00:55:32:15 - Just... I'm doing fine. 00:55:32:15 00:55:34:03 Doing fine. Little sick. 00:55:34:03 00:55:36:03 - How fine? - Little bit sick. 00:55:36:03 00:55:38:02 - Mm-hmm. 00:55:38:02 00:55:40:12 You are in here for how many years? 00:55:40:12 00:55:41:22 - 40. 00:55:41:22 00:55:43:12 - 40 years. - Yes, sir. 00:55:43:12 00:55:45:07 - Eight felony counts, is that correct? 00:55:45:07 00:55:47:17 - Yes, sir. - That's pretty serious. 00:55:47:17 00:55:49:05 - Yes, sir. 00:55:49:05 00:55:53:05 - And you spent some time before this 40 year sentence in jail. 00:55:53:05 00:55:54:14 Is that correct? 00:55:54:14 00:55:55:23 - Yes, sir. - Yeah. 00:55:55:23 00:55:58:11 - I've been in prison five times. 00:55:58:12 00:56:00:18 - How many years already? 00:56:00:18 00:56:02:17 - A 2 year sentence, a 5 year sentence, 00:56:02:17 00:56:05:23 a 30 year sentence, and then this 40. 00:56:05:23 00:56:07:23 - That's a lot. - Yes, sir. 00:56:07:23 00:56:10:04 - What went wrong? 00:56:10:04 00:56:12:12 - Drugs and alcohol. 00:56:12:12 00:56:14:01 - Can you explain? 00:56:14:01 00:56:18:13 - Well, I started using drugs when I was about 13, 00:56:18:13 00:56:21:02 drinking and drugging, and, uh... 00:56:22:12 00:56:25:08 Selling and manufacturing. 00:56:25:08 00:56:27:20 Some stealing and burglarizing going along with it 00:56:27:20 00:56:29:11 to sup... support the habit 00:56:29:11 00:56:33:11 and always end up back in prison. 00:56:33:11 00:56:37:13 - There's one significant moment when Jason, your son, 00:56:37:13 00:56:40:17 was found guilty for capital murder... 00:56:40:18 00:56:43:03 - Yes. - And triple homicide. 00:56:43:03 00:56:46:02 During the sentencing phase, you appeared in court. 00:56:46:02 00:56:49:20 Can you describe what you said to the jury? 00:56:53:03 00:56:57:01 - Well... 00:56:57:01 00:57:00:05 I explained to 'em what prison life was about, 00:57:00:05 00:57:02:21 and I explained... I explained to 'em 00:57:02:21 00:57:05:16 that I didn't think killing him 00:57:05:16 00:57:11:00 was gonna bring back those people or really, you know, 00:57:11:00 00:57:14:09 do anything to correct what happened, 00:57:14:09 00:57:18:15 and I asked the jury to, you know, 00:57:18:15 00:57:21:10 "Please, you know, don't kill my son." 00:57:21:11 00:57:22:19 I asked 'em. 00:57:22:20 00:57:25:05 I said just, "Please, don't kill my son." 00:57:25:05 00:57:28:05 He never had a chance. 00:57:28:05 00:57:29:19 He didn't have a father. 00:57:29:19 00:57:32:18 I told 'em that, you know, he did... I was never there, 00:57:32:18 00:57:34:22 and his mother was a, you know, single mother 00:57:34:22 00:57:36:19 with four children, 00:57:36:19 00:57:39:16 and... and she had handicaps. 00:57:39:16 00:57:42:04 She... she's on disability. 00:57:42:04 00:57:44:23 Most of that time, she was living on disability, 00:57:44:23 00:57:47:09 and so they... they really didn't... 00:57:47:09 00:57:49:19 they lived off food stamps, 00:57:49:19 00:57:53:02 and, you know, HUD housing and that type of thing, 00:57:53:02 00:57:56:19 and... and he... he really... 00:57:56:19 00:58:01:14 he really had a real poor life growing up. 00:58:03:11 00:58:05:14 I just asked 'em not to kill my son. 00:58:05:14 00:58:06:23 It wasn't his fault. 00:58:06:23 00:58:08:22 I... it... I wished I could... 00:58:08:22 00:58:11:10 I wish that I could take the time, his time. 00:58:11:10 00:58:15:06 I wish I could, 'cause I feel like that it's my fault. 00:58:15:06 00:58:17:15 I... I... really do. 00:58:17:15 00:58:19:23 I feel like it's... 00:58:19:23 00:58:22:02 I'm as much at fault as he is, 00:58:22:02 00:58:23:18 'cause if I'd have been there, 00:58:23:18 00:58:25:13 it, quite possibly, maybe not, 00:58:25:13 00:58:27:13 but... but it might possibly have been different. 00:58:27:13 00:58:29:19 He'd have had a better chance. 00:58:29:19 00:58:32:07 You know, he'd have a whole lot better chance, 00:58:32:07 00:58:34:23 if I'd have been there helping his mother raise him, 00:58:34:23 00:58:36:20 but I wasn't. 00:58:36:20 00:58:39:01 The jury got up to leave, 00:58:39:01 00:58:41:15 and the door was right here to my right, 00:58:41:15 00:58:44:23 and as the door closed behind them, 00:58:44:23 00:58:47:03 I heard two ladies break down. 00:58:47:03 00:58:49:04 I'm... I'm real emotional, 00:58:49:04 00:58:51:16 and I'm crying through the whole thing, 00:58:51:16 00:58:54:20 but as they went through that door, and the door closed, 00:58:54:20 00:58:58:16 I heard two ladies break down crying. 00:58:58:16 00:59:03:08 They broke down, and then the... 00:59:03:08 00:59:06:08 when it... it was all over and his lawyer come told me, 00:59:06:08 00:59:08:20 he said... I remember the... his words. 00:59:08:20 00:59:11:10 He said, "You got him." 00:59:11:10 00:59:12:19 - You saved a life. 00:59:12:19 00:59:14:05 - He said... he said, "You got him." 00:59:14:05 00:59:16:00 I said, "What do you mean?" 00:59:16:00 00:59:18:01 He said, "You got him." 00:59:18:01 00:59:19:22 And that's where I... that's what saved... 00:59:19:22 00:59:21:07 there was two votes. 00:59:21:07 00:59:24:19 It was ten to two, and there was two votes 00:59:24:19 00:59:28:09 that voted not to kill him, 00:59:28:09 00:59:32:21 and I think those were the two ladies right there that... 00:59:32:21 00:59:36:24 they're the ones that saved his life. 00:59:36:24 00:59:39:11 - But you can be proud of this moment. 00:59:39:11 00:59:41:05 - Yeah. 00:59:44:02 00:59:46:07 I had some help too. 00:59:46:07 00:59:47:20 God helped me. 00:59:47:20 00:59:49:06 He did. 00:59:49:06 00:59:51:13 I asked God to help me, and I think He did. 00:59:55:04 00:59:58:21 I didn't deserve any help for him. 00:59:58:21 01:00:00:21 He may not deserve the help, 01:00:00:21 01:00:04:22 but we got it from some place, so... 01:00:10:15 01:00:12:08 - The hardest part was to look at him 01:00:12:08 01:00:13:17 and for him to look at me,