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gilles : tu marques une différence entre spinoza et hobbes et tu as complètement raison.
gilles: you note a difference between spinoza and hobbes and you are quite right. if i summarize it, the difference is this: for the one as for the other, spinoza and hobbes, one is careful to leave the state of nature by a contract.
spinoza voulait que la conduite humaine dépasse la notion de temps et soit réglée sub specie aeternitatis.
spinoza thought that all men should overcome the limitations of time and act sub specie aeternitatis, ignoring the blood-stained myths of race, political domination and ideological utopias.